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A visit by three Zionists to Stellenbosch

The other night someone started to talk to me at an art exhibition.  After asking all the obvious questions over glasses of wine (his) and mineral water (mine) and learning of my studies in religion and culture, he asked: “So what do you think of Islam?” I almost choked.  Ok, so now he had my attention.

I mentioned my travels to Indonesia and that I recently spent three months in Palestine. “These people opened their hearts and their houses to me” I told him.  “And I witnessed gross human rights abuses in Palestine….”

Someone else started to talk to the man and I wandered away to look at the young artist’s first solo exhibition. The extraordinary colourful paintings featured a South African fishing community – salt of the earth, weathered faces. They are not rich in earthly belongings, but they have such joy that they made me smile too.

happiness by Wilko Roon

The man and I eventually ended up having a late supper in town where I listened to his myths on Islam and Palestinians.

“There are two sides to the story” he said (But why do you think that these two sides are equal? Ever heard of systemic injustice? Like in apartheid – in our country – remember?)

“It’s a complex situation” he tried to ease it up (Well it would help if Israel starts to adhere to international law…. that’s not complicated, it’s pretty much black and white).

And so it went on.  I did not move him one inch (or centimetre). “You can say what you want,” he concluded “but the Israelis are damn good with water.”  (Yeah….they also steal Palestinian water.)

But we did part on a nice foot and when he called about two weeks later to say that some Israelis were visiting Stellenbosch to talk about their country I thought I should better check it out.

The Israelis turned out to be an ex-Christian South African couple, previously from Klerksdorp.  White Afrikaans speaking people like me, but probably about ten or fifteen years younger.  Their conversion to Judaism a few years earlier was prompted by their realisation that Christmas trees are part of a pagan tradition. They burnt their tree, started to study their Bible and eventually felt that it was their destiny to “return” to Israel. They now live in Be’er Sheva just off the southern border of the West Bank.

This is also the home of the Ben Gurion University (the University of Johannesburg severed ties with UBG in 2011).

Accompanying this couple was another Jew, a man who also used to be Christian. He emigrated from Dortrecht in the Netherlands to Israel.

To them their lives as new-born Jews in Israel have real purpose.  During the first part of their presentation they told us about their religious task to take back all that “belongs” to them.

“Fifty to sixty years ago” they said, “the West Bank and the area where we live was a wilderness and nobody wanted to live there.” (Thoughts of the thriving Palestinian agriculture and trade before the Nakba – the Catastrophe of 1948 when over 700 000 Palestinians became refugees and Israel took possession of 530 Palestinian villages in addition to the land allotted to them by the UN – crossed my mind).  He showed us beautiful pictures of fields in bloom – exactly the way Yanoun (where I used to stay whilst I worked in the West Bank) looks like in spring…. green fields dotted with red poppies….all natural.  “No-one succeeded before to let the Negev blossom” he said. “Each year our crop increases and this is God’s blessing to us.” I kept my silence to listen him out.

The Dutch Jew quoted from the Bible (Gen 22:19, Ex 3:31, 1 Kings 5:1, 1 Kings 19:1-3, Num 21:1, 1 1 Sam 25:1, Lev 26:20,32, Ps 126, Ezekiel 36:8, and so forth) to demonstrate that God promised all of the current Israel plus the occupied territories of Palestine (the West Bank, Gaza and East-Jerusalem) to the modern state of Israel and to anybody else in the world who chooses to be Jewish.

“There is only one thing in the Middle East that matters” he told us, “and that is the truth.  We can now see how the things that our prophets mentioned are coming true.” (Thank goodness my Bible talks about an inclusive love and respect for all.)

It was as if he repeated the Netanyahu rhetoric of “truth – more truth – and the truth only.”   But even Netanyahu’s truth sometimes shifts…like when he realised that the illegal expropriation of Palestinian homes and lands could actually implicate Israeli officials in war crimes litigation as one can read by clicking on the following link:

Netanyahu ordered evacuation of Hebron home over fears of war crimes suits

“God’s will”, they explained, “is to bring the people of Israel back to Israel.” (Will the land always be enough no matter how many people from all over the world convert to Judaism and move there? What about the many Jews who do not agree with the Israeli government’s policy to take someone else’s land and resources by force….those who say that the Torah speaks of respect for others and human dignity without a political and nationalistic agenda?)

“Each nation needs to be in its own place where they belong and this only will bring peace” the presentation continued. (Therefore Dutch and South African Jews are… what…Israelis? What is a nation and what is a religion – is there perhaps a difference between the two?)

“The Arabs belong in Jordan.” (In other words those Palestinians whose families date back to the times of the Old Testament, many of them Christians, should move to Jordan? What about the millions of Palestinian refugees worldwide – all of them too? I am a South African whose ancestors came from the Netherlands, France and Italy a mere three hundred years ago…where is my “place”?)

The man from the art exhibition and I were the only people who attended the talk by the three people from the Beit Moriah organisation. It turned out they came to ask money for their community which they said had been falling apart lately. They need the money to integrate immigrants from Ethiopia and the USSR, to feed those living below the poverty line, to run schools, to train leaders, to turn neighbours into friends, to instil Jewish and Israeli knowledge and pride. (The money that Israel receives from the USA each year is more than what the USA gives to the entire developing world.)

We had a long discussion and I felt like a lone voice between three Zionists and one person with an un-nuanced admiration for Israel.  I tried to talk to my fellow (albeit ex-)South Africans with warmth and love and asked them if they really, honestly, in their inner-most beings as members of a post-apartheid society think that the solution lies in separation. They answered quickly and surely – they don’t – and therefore all of the land must belong to Israel. I actually referred to separation between people.

The woman told me how she once took her child to a Palestinian hospital and how well she and her child were treated. There she realised that she and the Palestinian women are both mothers. The couple acknowledged that settlers live illegally in the West Bank (this unsettled the guy I went with) and that they are deemed the “baddies”. They know this. But they deny settler violence and regard the United Nations, the Red Cross, the Quartet and Save the Children as leftish organisations – “Don’t talk to us about them” they told me.

They felt the IDF discriminates as much against them as they do against Palestinians. Yet when I told them some of the things I witnessed in the West Bank they asked if I am sure that the transgressors were indeed settlers.  They didn’t know about the demolitions, the personal harassments, the damage to property, the confiscation of water, the denial of basic human rights and all the double standards. These things are not true they asserted, in fact, they heard rumours and when they checked it out the army told them that none of this is true and therefore none of this is true.

Despite my very best intentions and much discipline to restrain myself, my many questions and my counter information clearly irritated them. Or perhaps not? Did I give them something to reflect on? I’m not sure of this. The gentleman whom I accompanied assured me afterwards that I launched an attack on the three guests from Israel who just wanted to tell us their story.

I arrived home feeling very emotional…but I also remembered the grace and dignity of the Palestinians in the midst of their humiliation, pain and loss. I owe it to them to engage with those who do not yet see Israel’s systemic injustices so that even though they do not hear me, they can still feel my longing for harmony and perhaps, maybe on a level outside their minds and beyond their emotions and religious convictions, something may start to shift.

Over centuries, the truth has always shifted. We know only in part. Therefore we should be modest about our claims on truth or a single right way. In fact, we start to recognise a plasticity in the nature of reality as Richard Tarnas explains in his book on the ideas that shape(d) Western worldviews (1993:406).

If this is indeed the case, it has immense implications for the human situation as it actually implies that you and I can participate in the creation of reality.  It means we can influence our own reality through our actions, and even through our attitudes, our thoughts and our prayers. As we are all inter-connected, we can also influence the reality beyond our own bodies. All of this means that what we do really matters (in the literal sense of the word). We actually have an impact on what happens.

This is (one of the reasons) why I don’t give up, and why a situation as the one I described here actually energises me in my quest for living a message of non-violence.  I’ll keep on trying.

Read also the profoundly moving testimony of Rabbi Brian Walt (who grew up in South Africa) on Affirming a Judaism and Jewish identity without Zionism.

Tarnas, Richard. 1993.  The Passion of he Western Mind. New York.

Can one act morally in an immoral situation?

“I fell in love with Israel as a Zionist state.”

Ruth Hiller originally came from the States at the age of 17 to work on a kibbutz.  And so she stayed, got married and raised her six children.

But things changed when her third child said that he did not want to serve in the Israeli Defense Force (IDF).  Today Ruth and her colleagues from New Profile assist other young Israelis who also refuse to join the IDF. (I met her last year during my work as an ecumenical accompanier in the West Bank.)

One such person, is the 18-year old Noam Gur who explains in frank words why she refuses to join the Israeli Army:

“I can’t take part in these crimes”: Israeli refuser interviewed.

I refuse to take part in the Israeli army because I refuse to join an army that has, since it was established, been engaged in dominating another nation, in plundering and terrorizing a civilian population that is under its control.

Israel, since it was established, is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity, from the Nakba [the forced displacement of 750,000 Palestinians in 1947-48] until today. We see this in the last massacre in Gaza, we see this in the everyday life of Palestinians under occupation in Gaza and the West Bank, and we see this in Palestinians living inside Israel in how they’re being treated.

I don’t think that I belong in this place. I don’t think I can personally take part in these crimes and I think that we have to criticize this institution, these crimes and go out publicly saying that we will not serve in the army as long as it occupies other people.

Since Noam announced her decision in public, others felt less alone and also refused military service on behalf of Israel. This is not an easy decision, as they all expect to go to prison for refusing to enlist in the Israeli army.

Alon Gurman, 18, from Tel Aviv had no doubt that he would enlist until he first went to the West Bank. During his last year in school, he started to educate himself on what happens in Palestine.

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Alon Gurman in Nabi Saleh (Anne Paq / Activestills)

“I started going to demonstrations thinking that while certain policies might be wrong, they can be changed, and changed from the inside, and so I went on with the pre-draft procedures as expected of me. Only after I went to the occupied territories did I realize that I could never be a part of the army. I saw house demolitions; I saw unbelievable levels of violence used against civilian protest, and all in the name of colonialism. I was especially traumatized when I was arrested in a demonstration in Al-Walaja, just as we were starting to disperse. The soldiers were my age, my peers, and I saw the effect of the service on them. You can’t be moral in an immoral situation.”

But what about those Israelis who did join the IDF?

Yigal Levin, 25, is far from your typical conscientious objector. Born in Ukraine, and growing up in Bat Yam, Levin was taught that a man’s role is to protect his family and homeland:

“I used to be a Mussolini-styled fascist, not the local kind of religious fascists who want the land because of some divine promise, but the kind who believes that the spoils go to the winner. I knew I would be an officer when I joined the army, and having snipers shoot at me in Gaza in 2005 made me even more of an extremist.”

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Yigal Levin (Oren Ziv / Activestills)

“Part of my ideology was that the state has to be wise, responsible, decent and protective. In Lebanon, I saw a war that started for no clear reason, where soldiers died in vain while also committing a massacre against the Lebanese.”

Levin says he witnessed officers raping their female subordinates, soldiers tormenting Sudanese refugees who crossed the border from Egypt, and during operation “Cast Lead” he was shocked to see the army bombarding the civilian population and setting Gaza aflame. These factors broke his faith in making a difference from within the ranks.

After the attack on Gaza, Levin finished his service, and inspired by Lev Tolstoy, he joined the Israeli Anarchist Communist Front and toured Ukraine and Germany with comrades. When he recently received an order to show up for his reserve service, he ignored it, and is thus now considered a deserter. Having heard of Gur and Gurman, he decided to turn himself in on the day of their refusal.

“The Israeli army is commonly considered to be ‘the people’s army’, an army of the people protecting the people, but in fact, the Israeli army is simply a bourgeois army – a tool in the hands of a small clique, which does not give a damn about the people… Not willing to remain a mere tool, a traitor, and a hypocrite, I decided to terminate my participation in it.”

(Information on Yigal and Alon from Ranjan Solomon, badayl.alternatives)

read more.

And then there is Michael whom I met in Jerusalem in 2011:

In conversation with Michael from Breaking the Silence – veteran Israeli soldiers who now wants the occupation to end.

We try  to convince our society (Israel) to end the occupation completely, and not as proposed in the past. We want to be completely equal. If you want Breaking the Silence to end, then start by talking to your kids.  There is still a lot of work to do.

Breaking the Silence is an Israeli organisation that was started in 2004 by veteran soldiers who wanted to talk about their experiences whilst serving in Palestine. By the end of 2011, they received testimonies from 800 soldiers. Breaking the Silence conducts photo exhibitions worldwide, they publish books and they take people on tours to see for themselves what happens in the occupied territories.

In my mind, the issue here is that what we do to others, also defines who we are.  So we should not ask ourselves “What system do I fit into?”  but rather “Who am I?”  and “What kind of world do I want to live in?” 

An ethical choice not based on fear requires emotional courage and maturity.  If one really wants a better world, it is possible.  We can each make a difference in the direction of the kind of freedom we choose:

Biased media? An Israeli perspective

Rolene Marks is an ex-South African who now lives in Israel. Her evocative three-column opinion article in a prominent Israeli newspaper commented on the findings of the Russell Tribunal that took place in November 2011 in the District Six Museum, Cape Town, South Africa. 

See “Breaking News” on the website of the Jerusalem Post at:

Kangeroos in South Africa

I replied to her article in a letter to the Jerusalem Post (published on 14 November):

Examining apartheid

Sir,

Rolene Marks, ex-South African, claimed in “Kangeroos in South Africa” (November 10) that the use of the term apartheid “to describe Israel… makes a mockery and cheapens the tremendous suffering endured by South African’s black citizens”.  She concluded: “Jurists of the tribunal, under the laws of balanced, democratic jurisprudence, I find you guilty of racism.”

However the Russell Tribunal’s focus was not apartheid crimes in Israel as Ms Marks assumes. The question the Tribunal posed was: Is Israel guilty of apartheid crimes in Palestine? Not once did Ms Marks refer to Israel’s conduct in Palestine, thus in the West Bank and in Gaza.

It also seems as if she is unaware of public declarations by black South Africans in support of the Russell Tribunal’s findings. Zwelinzima Vavi, general secretary of the Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) for example said:

“Black South African workers — especially a mineworker like myself — who bore the brunt of South African racial capitalism, and understood the purposes and mechanisms of apartheid, know that when we talk about the conditions faced by our Palestinian comrades we are talking about apartheid.”

In her own words, Ms Marks is a “proud Zionist Israeli”.  Her underlying message is “We are right and they are wrong”.  Such a position of exclusivity contributes to a divide between people.

For peace based on human rights and for a society that rejects apartheid, we need to face the facts and deal with them within applicable international law.

This was the agenda of the Russell Tribunal.”

According to the Jerusalem Post Ms Marks is “a member of the Media Team – Israel, an arm of the South African Zionist Federation, and deals with bias in the media.  She is regularly interviewed on Israel and Middle East issues on South African radio.”

The Russell Tribunal found that “Israel subjects the Palestinian people to an institutionalized regime of domination amounting to apartheid as defined under international law.”  For the full report of this Tribunal, see www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com

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Jaffa, Israel – anything goes?

 

Op pad na die see by Jaffa, Tel Aviv in Israel vir ‘n heerlike ontspandag….

Langs my in die bus... wat gebeur met die psige van ‘n jong kind as sy pa op ‘n Donderdagoggend, 9:00, gewapen sit op ‘n bus?

Ons stop by die kontrolepunt, en twee soldate met M16s klim op die bus en kyk elkeen van ons deeglik deur.  Ek slaag die toets en ons ry sonder slag of stoot verder.

By ‘n robot in Tel Aviv: ‘n Olyfboom, ten minste ‘n paar dekades oud, wat pas nuwe takke uitstoot nadat dit duidelik van elders oorgeplant is.

Is dit nog ‘n onthoofde olyfboom?  Ek het al baie gesien sedert ek hier is.  Hier is hulle dikwels honderde, selfs duisende jare oud.  Israeli-werkers sny die takke van bome op Palestynse gebied af, ontwortel dit met hyskrane en plant dit weer – maar nie in Palestina nie.

Dit doen hulle om plek te maak vir die (onwettige) Muur wat uiteindelik dubbeld die lengte van die internasionaal erkende grens (die sg. “Groen Lyn”) sal wees.

Bethlehem: Onthoofde bome wat moes plek maak vir die onwettige Israeli Muur.

Al Walaja, wes van Bethlehem, sal uiteindelik algeheel omring word deur die Muur. Hier het ek saam met die Hagahla familie gesit en kyk hoe hul familiegrond van ses geslagte deur die aanbou van die Muur van hulle vervreem word. Ongeveer 50 olyfbome is daardie dag onthoof, ontwortel en weggevoer.

By die laaste bushalte in Tel Aviv word my tas, laptop, toiletsakkie en handsak deursoek.  Het ek dalk ‘n vuurwapen?  Nee, antwoord ek vriendelik. ‘n Mes?  Nee ook nie, antwoord ek steeds vriendelik. Het ek ‘n wapen van enige aard?  Nee.  (Nou ja. Wat as ek wel een gehad het ? Gits noudat ek daaroor dink – wat van my kamera en my pen?)

In Jaffa gaan stap ek by die see. Dis pragtig. Die stadsprofiel sluit verskeie moskeetorings in – maar ek is tog nou in Israel en nie in Palestynse gebied nie?

Kan dit wees dat Jaffa ‘n meer inklusiewe, ‘n meer verdraagsame area in Israel is?

Hier is na alles Jode van alle kleure en geure (en lande)

Perhaps anything goes in Jaffa?

Ek weet werklik nie hoe dinge hier inmekaar pas nie, en is vir die oomblik tevrede om in die laaste son langs die see te stap voor die koue en reën wat vir volgende week voorspel word.

Hmm...‘n moontlike leidraad vir die verskeidenheid? Hier word Jaffa as Yafo gespel.

Ek draai om na die museum waar ek vroeër op ‘n kliptrap in die koelte gesit het…. ‘n Groep toeriste sit nou buite op die trappe. ‘n  Sekuriteitswag by die ingang gee my ‘n pamflet wat sê die museum gedenk die gevalle stryders van die “Irgun Zvai Leumi (I.Z.L.) – who fell in the campaign to conquer Jaffa.” (So Jaffa is die Arabiese woord vir Yafo.)

By die ingang is ‘n kennisgewing wat sê ‘n mens moet jou ID/paspoort wys en na my geselsie met die wag haal ek my paspoort uit, maar hy sê dis onnodig en wil dit nie eens optel nie.  Ook die kassier ontvang my vriendelik en sê dis in orde as ek foto’s neem.  Ek voel soos ‘n spioen.

Die verwelkomingsteken by die ingang na die museum. Openlik. En skokkend.

Die uitstalling vertel die verhaal van die ondergrondse militêre beweging wat vanaf 1931 – 1948 Palestynse dorpe gewelddadig oorgeneem het.  Die taal is deurspek met woorde soos “heroic”, “brave”, ens.

Kenmerkend van elke dorp se verhaal is die klein aantal Israeli-soldate wat gesterf het teenoor die groot aantal Palestyne wat gesterf het.  In Deir Yassin het vyf Israeli’s teenoor 110 – 250 Palestyne gesterf.  Talle mense het hierna uit ander dorpe uit hul huise gevlug en die Israeli’s het beslag op hul huise en dorpe gelê.  Die vlugtelinge is nooit toegelaat om terug te keer nie.

Jaffa, is aangeval en oorgeneem “to eliminate the threat of a naval base by the enemy.” Volgens die 1947 verdelingsplan van die VN was Jaffa geoormerk as Arabiese grondgebied. Ek haal aan uit Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa:

“On April 25, 1948, Irgun (a Zionist paramilitary group) launched an offensive on Jaffa. This began with a mortar bombardment which went on for three days during which twenty tons of high explosive were fired into the town. On April 27 the British Government, fearing a repetition of the mass exodus (by Palestinians) from Haifa the week before, ordered the British Army to confront the Irgun and their offensive ended. Simultaneously the Haganah had launched Operation Chametz which over-ran the villages East of Jaffa and cut the town off from the interior.

The population of Jaffa on the eve of the attack was between 50,000 – 60,000, with some 20,000 people having already left the town. Then a strange phenomenon was revealed before our eyes: the mass flight from Jaffa. Arab civilians and a variety of “Arab” fighters suddenly began to leave the town in panic’. By 30 April there were 15,000 – 25,000 remaining. In the following days a further 10,000 – 20,000 people fled by sea. When the Haganah took control of the town on May 14 around 4,000 people were left. The town and harbour’s warehouses were extensively looted. The remaining Arab residents were forced into the Ajami neighborhood, surrounded by barbed wire, where martial law was in effect for a year.”

Sowat 750 000 Palestyne het tydens die Nakba (die Katastrofe) vlugtelinge geword in 1948.  Die meeste van hierdie mense het nog die sleutels van hul huise, maar hulle is nooit toegelaat om terug te keer nie.  Baie van die 1948-vlugtelinge is in die 1967 oorlog weer ontheem – vir die tweede maal in minder as 20 jaar.

Does anything go in Yafo….  as long as it sides with Israel?

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Israeli’s met verskillende perspektiewe

In die middel van ons termyn, het al sewe die EAPPI spanne meer opleiding en blootstelling buite die areas waar ons werk gekry.  Ons het met Israeli vredesorganisasies gepraat, asook met ‘n (onwettige) Israeli setlaar.

Hier is ‘n paar foto’s:

Ons vertrek Sondagoggend opgewonde vanaf Yanoun – Eduardo (links), Ghassan ons vriend, kontak, vertaler en taxi-bestuurder (middel) en Ueli (regs)

‘n Gesprek met Michael, hoof van Breaking the Silence – ‘n groep veteraan Israeli soldate wat vrede nastreef.

By die Suid-Afrikaanse verteenwoordigende kantoor in Ramallah.  Hier is ek, Mpumi, Zodwa en Alicia by SA Ambassadeur Makalima.

Die gesprek met Ruth Hiller van New Profile was fassinerend. Sy is deel van ‘n Israeli vredesorganisasie wat jongmense help om kwytskelding van militere diensplig te verkry.

 

Bob Lang, voorheen van die VSA maar nou setlaar van Efrat by Bethlehem, is  hoof van die Efrat godsdienskomitee. Hy ontvang gereeld toeristegroepe en het ook met ons gepraat.

Kort voor lank haal Bob ‘n kaart uit om te verduidelik hoe klein (die supermoondheid) Israel is en dat al die grond deur God aan die Jode beloof is.

Hy verduidelik dat die heuwels waar daar tans (onwettige) setlaarsdorpe is, “leeg” was. Hy laat na om te noem hierdie heuwels (en setlaarsdorpe) is binne die grondgebied wat die VN aan Palestina toegestaan het in 1948 en dat Israel dit volgens die Geneefse Konvensie nie mag benut nie.

As hulle (die Palestyne) kan bewys dat hulle die grond besit, sal ons meer as gelukkig wees om dit van hulle te koop“, vertel hy. Hoekom noem hy nie dat die VN in 1948 die grond aan die Palestyne toegewys het nie? Die VN se stappe teen Israel lei  tot niks nie, want die VSA veto telkens (ten minste 14x al) optrede teen Israel.

Ons streef vrede na. Ons moet hier leef want Abraham het op hierdie grond geloop. Ons hoop om verder uit te brei. Ek glo in ‘n een staat oplossing – die staat sal Israel wees. Dit sal vrede bring gebaseer op gelykheid.” Gelykheid? Wie besluit wat is gelyk? En geregtigheid? Watter soort vrede? Vir wie? Ek skat dis die soort praatjies wat toeriste se harte sag maak vir Israel se wandade.

Oor die meer as 750 000 Palestynse vlugtelinge van 1948 sê Lang: “‘n Mens kan nie na 60 jaar nog ‘n vlugteling wees nie – they must get over it“. Verstaan ek reg – mense wie se voorgeslagte nog nooit in Israel gebly het nie, mag “terugkeer” solank hulle Joods is, maar mense wie se voorgeslagte terugstrek na die tyd van Ou Testament en nie Joods is nie moet voert en is nie vlugtelinge nie?

Terug in Jerusalem ontmoet ons nog mense…

Tim Williams van die Kwartet (links) en EA Jan-Egil Berg in gesprek. Op ons vraag aan Tim oor wat in die pad van vrede staan, was sy antwoord dadelik: “Sonder twyfel Israel se besetting van die Palestynse gebied.”

Daar was selfs tyd om vinnig toeris te speel in Jerusalem…

Skemer in die tuin van Getsemane – ‘n wonderlike, wonderlike ervaring vir my. Hierdie olyfboom is 2000 jaar oud!

Jerusalem: die ou stad se muur.

Wat ek nie hier genoem het nie, is:

Ons gesprekke met spesialiste oor Christen-Zionisme, ons fantastiese gesprekke met die Israeli vredesorganisasies Peace Now en The Other Voice asook met iemand van die Arab Minority Rights in Israel.  Ek hoop om later iets hieroor in die media te doen.